Episode #199: Joris van der Waart, CMO at Lumosa, shares invaluable insights on building brand trust and the critical importance of deeply understanding the Ideal Customer Profile (ICP). He highlights the ongoing decline of trust within B2B relationships and emphasizes that marketers must rebuild it through authentic dialogue and genuine curiosity. Drawing from his experiences, Joris illustrates how direct, unfiltered engagement with customers and internal teams strengthens relationships and sharpens marketing strategies.